Steve
: I can see why a person would want to go to the Himalayas or
something to be
among people who know what
’
s it is like.
Arcturians
: Yes, well there is that degree of peace. And where there
is a multiple energy
field that is holding the energy field. One person can hold
the energy field for certain
amount of time. You even look at the ascended Masters and
they weren
’
t holding that
energy field all the time.
You know, like Jesus went in and got pissed off that they were
selling stuff at the church
and you know, through stuff all over the place. And you look
at all of the ascended
Masters. When they were wearing an earth vessel, they h
ad some human emotions!
Steve
: When St. Germain was upset with the French Foreign Mini
stry he stormed out
walking through the wall. He didn
’
t bother with the door!
Arcturia
ns
: He didn
’
t bother with the door. He didn
’
t care that that is going to freak
them out. In fact I think it was a little glad that he f
reaked them out. He was like,
“
Don
’
t
mess with me, I walk through walls!
”
Being such as those who are clearly fully ascended inter-di
mensional beings who have
chosen to take on a clay vessel, which is a very great s
acrifice, a greater sacrifice then
anyone
...
It would be very difficult to understand what a great sacrifi
ce that is and how much they
love Earth or they love those people or they love that
group or whatever it is that drew
them there. They love them unconditionally and very, ve
ry deeply that they would make
that immense sacrifice.
Steve
: Yes, I have heard that we give up our knowledge of who we are
, of course and all
of our capabilities and what have you. Yes, I get the sacrifi
ce.
Coming back to our working together, we are going to be buildin
g Nova Earth and
apparently during the transitional period light workers will hav
e money to do that. But
again, we are babes in the woods in this whole area. What
should we keep in mind in this
case, in regards to how we work together, when we approach thi
s huge task of building a
new world, a new order.
Arcturians
: It
’
s all about one
’
s state of consciousness, about maintaining a high enough
state of consciousness that you can maintain an open
heart and maintain complete and
total grounding with the planet.
Steve
: And how would we do that would you suggest, meditation?
Arcturians
: Meditation, dedication. It
’
s not so much the how you do it it
’
s keeping up
doing it. You know, it
’
s one thing to have a wonderful walk in the woods and a visit w
ith
a friend and coming back home and relaxing in your comfortable
chair going into a very
deep meditation where you have a beautiful, wonderful expe
rience.
It is another thing, to take that beautiful, wonderful experi
ence out into the world where
people are hungry, people are angry, people are fighting and to not
fall out of that state of
consciousness.
Steve
: A lot of light workers, an inordinate amount of light worke
rs have suffered quite a
bit of trauma in their lives, quite a bit of abuse. My un
derstanding is that was partly to
make sure that their hearts are open to what was happening for
terrestrials, etc.
But nonetheless, it does prove hard for some people to come
back from that amount of
abuse and feel these more refined feelings that we are t
alking about. Do you have any
advice for them?
Arcturians
: You look at the known ascended Masters and the, mostly th
e ascended
Masters because the Angelics, they are not sharing their
initiation as much. But they are
having initiations. They
...
Well, we will get into that later, if you wish.
But initiations are resets. Whenever one goes through an
initiation they look into that
which they are now ready to release and to release it not by
being angry or scared or
minding. They release it because of one reason; because th
at thing that they are releasing
will diminish their ability to complete their divine missi
on.
Once one is at that state of consciousness, those relea
ses usually are not simple. They
usually have to, well as an example, look at it Jesus who pe
ople know of his life more.
He had to release his homeland, he had to release his family,
he had to release a lot of his
friends.
Then after they go through the release, then they go t
hrough that persecution stage where
people say,
“
Who are you and why do you think you should do this. I want proof
that you
really are who you say you are
”
.
And usually that higher dimensional being will go through what will
appear to be a near-
death experience and generally what that near-death experience
does, and you are quite
aware of that, it makes you have to learn how to totally let
go and still hang on.
And once you can let go and hang on then you have done the im
possible. You have done
the opposite while wearing a third dimensional body. And when yo
u do the opposite
while wearing a third dimensional body it expands your consciousne
ss into the fifth
dimension where it is not impossible.
The fifth dimension doesn
’
t have opposites. It doesn
’
t have polarities. It doesn
’
t have
a
good. It doesn
’
t have a bad. It doesn
’
t have any of that.
So whatever the state of your body is, it
’
s the state of your consciousness that will
determine whether or not one will be able to walk their path a
nd complete it successfully.
Steve
: I had an example of expanding one
’
s consciousness the other day. Kathleen and I
were looking at good and bad; who is our epitome of good and b
ad. When it came to the
bad, I chose Hitler and the only way I could experience any
thing to do with Hitler was to
expand my consciousness and hold it. I actually had a transf
ormative experience at that
moment. It went into a higher dimension of consciousness
. It was quite incredible, you
know, quite amazing to experience.
Arcturians
: What happens when one does that is that they can no longe
r hate that person
anymore because they suddenly know how and why that person became
that person.
Steve
: Yes, or trauma
...
You mentioned that an initiation is a reset. What does th
at mean,
“
a reset
”
?
Arcturians
: Just like if you download a new program onto your computer you h
ave to
reset it. You have to go through a little process so that
your computer can accept this
whole new way of doing it without fighting with the old way
of doing it.
Steve
: That
’
s right, yes, okay, I understand.
Arcturians
: And so then, at some point in time, you turn the computer
off for a minute
and then you turn it back on and that
’
s a reset.
Steve
:
Yes, reboot, reset
...
It
’
s part of the installation of the new program. Okay I
understand that now.
It
’
s funny; you talked about releasing friends, releasing family. I
think I
’
m in that process.
I seem to be just interested in bearing down and getting to work,
so to speak. I am not for
instance, interested in chit chat anymore. Is this a natura
l process?
Arcturians
: It is a natural process in that it
...
Now but it is also good to have fun,
whatever fun means. Now, if you can incorporate fun into th
at natural process, that
’
s a
plus. But fun is what brings joy and what opens your hea
rt and you want to keep an open
heart because the open heart
...
An open heart creates an open mind and an open mind creates a
n open heart. They work
together; like thoughts and emotions. Thoughts and emotions
intertwine in every part of
daily life.
And to reset, reboot one
’
s perspective of daily life (because the daily life will be
exactly
the same) it
’
s just that that perspective of it has expanded into a high
er frequency. And
that higher frequency is what allows you to be in the wor
ld and not of it. So you still have
the physical body but you are not of it.
Steve
: I can understand what you are saying from my experiences
of higher dimensional
love. Because everything you
’
re saying is that way when you are in that experience. You
are just describing how it is when you are in that experien
ce.
Is that experience that you are describing, is that something
that
’
s only can happen many
years from now? Or is it going to be our lot soon, our desti
ny?
Arcturians
: It has been happening since the dawn of humanity but it happene
d too much
fewer people. And societies in peak, more people could experie
nce it. Societies in the fall,
less people experienced it.
Steve
: Well, we are in ascension. Where in ascension does t
hat fit? Is that the ultimate
destination that you just described or is that an interme
diate experience?
Arcturians
: Both and all because that experience is not bound by time
or space. It is a
fifth dimensional experience.
Steve
:
Boy, a very interesting subject
...
Arcturians
: So, in other words, being a fifth dimensional experience,
it flows through,
around, under, over but it doesn
’
t ever stop. Because that stopping then would make it
third dimensional and it would take on form so it
’
s always keeping that frequency rate.
Steve
: And we have to discover have to do that, consistent with our
worth because we are
not going to be yogis.
Arcturians
: Consistently but if you look at the lives, again at the
ascended Masters, they
did their best shot but they weren
’
t always that way. They had fits of anger, they had
fights with people, they had bad things happen to them but they d
idn
’
t let it stop their
process of ascension.
Steve
: Some of them were even unconscious of anything like ascensi
on or anything like
enlightenment and to carrying on and it overtook them.
I think of the case of St. Francis who was the Prince o
f DeBose in Assisi and was at the
end of a procession snaking its way through town making a lot o
f noise with all kinds of
many musical instruments and he suddenly saw the Holy Spirit
and that created St.
Francis out of Francisco.
Arcturians
: Yes, and he did a lot of good work before that.
Steve
: Oh did he? I didn
’
t know that.
Arcturians
: Well he did the good work on himself and on those with who
m he was
intimate with or he would not have been able to accept that
energy field. It
’
s a very high
frequency energy field.
It
’
s almost like if you take a piece of wood and, which is a ve
ry low frequency, and you
have a fire which is a high frequency, in other words the
cells are all oscillating and
moving very fast whereas with the wood the cells very slow.
You don
’
t even see them
moving. They are but we can
’
t perceive them. And you throw the wood in the fire, what
happens to the wood?
Steve
: It is incinerated.
Arcturians
: So, in order to ascend there has to be a major component
of one
’
s
physicality that is matching that frequency of the frequency o
f ascension otherwise that
frequency weight will just
...
pfft.
Steve
: Right. No, no, no I didn
’
t get the frequency rate would just poof. What does that
mean in words?
Arcturians
: The physical body will disarticulate. Well very ofte
n the physical body
disarticulates at the time of ascension, not always,
but often. And like in the case of Jesus,
it was part of the path to have it not disarticulate so that
it could be proven that he didn
’
t
die after all.
This is Sue. It is interesting that I pulled to read the Bible
from out of nowhere and
opened it up to that page about that part of it and it is like
...
Okay! I grew up with Jesus. I
talked to Jesus as a little kid. Jesus is one of my guys.
Arcturians
: One of the reasons why ascended Masters take a physical b
ody is because
they are here to teach us how to be ascended Masters and pe
ople can talk and talk and
talk and
“
yeah, yeah sure, yeah yeah
”
. But what people listen to is what happens to them.
Can they walk down the street with people throwing stuff at th
em and people that they
had healed laughing at them and still maintain dignity and ca
lm and radiate love?
Steve
: Wow! Pretty tough order!
Arcturians
: Can a being sit down in front of an old woman that share
s rice with you and
he knows that the rice is tainted and he eats it anyhow b
ecause he doesn
’
t want to hurt
that woman
’
s feelings?
So they all, if you look at all of their lifetimes, the
y all had to go through a similar type of
thing, where caring for others is more important than their
own continued existence as a
human.
Steve
: I am starting to see, well first of all, I would like to
ask you if the human body
would burn out under some of these higher frequency experience
s. Then it seems to me
that it makes the assistance of the guides and angels, in
the case of humans, very, very
important. Do they moderate it or do they keep an eye ov
er the human to see that that
doesn
’
t happen?
Arcturians
: What happens often; what happens is that the essence c
an leave the body but
keep enough in the body to keep it alive, such as St. Germain.
And then there is a Guardian, often angels or certain peo
ple that will take care of that
body; make sure doesn
’
t too hot, doesn
’
t get too cold, doesn
’
t get too dehydrated because
it is kind of an empty vessel.
It
’
s just like you have an XKE, you
’
re not going to leave it parked on the street. You can
put it down in one of those deep cellars that those people
have for those kinds of cars.
You know, somebody
’
s going to come and turn it on every day and they are goin
g to
make sure it gets cleaned
...
So someone takes care of the body while the ascended maste
r goes off and does their
thing because they are going to need to go to that vessel a
gain until they go through their
final ascension where that vessel dies to prove to the peo
ple that that person is not dead.
But then,
“
Oh my heavens, that person came to me in a flash of ligh
t. Then, I knew was
that person! So then they go,
“
Wow, that
’
s what ascension is!
”
Steve
: Well, of course it isn
’
t in our case right, because we will be keeping the body?
Arcturians
: Yes but that
’
s because the entire planet is rising to that frequency as
well.
Steve
: Yes but that was the way it was up until this time in both t
he period of the fall and
the early period of the rise, shall we say.
Arcturians
: And that is why it is so vital for the ones that are cl
early aware and on that
ascension path that they minister to the planet as well
because if
...
Those who came now, it
’
s not that they came because,
“
Oh, we need another religious
figure
”
. No, those who came now is because it is time for the e
ntire planet to move into
that higher frequency because this whole area is moving into
that higher frequency.
Steve
: What difference does that make in the agenda of the ot
her side between a lone
avatar coming like Jesus whom is an ascended master and a
whole planet ascending?
Surely, there is a big difference there.
Arcturians
: A big difference. And there have been quite a few ascend
ed individuals to
prepare people to be leaders. And then they left and then the
ir group of leaders have been
leading and to whatever extent of success because it is di
fficult. It is difficult to tell
people that there is a higher frequency way of dealing with r
eality.
Steve
: Yes it is.
Arcturians
: It
’
s not an easy task at all. But that
’
s what
’
s been going on and if you look
now at the state of consciousness
...
I mean if you and I were back in 1950, would we be
having this conversation?
Steve
: No, not at all. If we had any conversation with you at all, i
t would be very stilted
and formal. We would just be introducing ourselves.
Arcturians
: And when we have had this conversation 1960?
Steve
: I still don
’
t think it would have been had.
Arcturians
: No. How about 1970?
Steve
: Hmmm, not yet no.
Arcturians
: How about 1980?
Steve
: Definitely not. We were heading into a recession and nobo
dy was thinking about
spiritualism.
Arcturians
: How about 1990?
Steve
: No, people were too busy struggling to stay alive.
Arcturians
: Isn
’
t that interesting that that happened right then right? Yo
u know so that
people can feel scared. How about 2000?
There was a little bit of a hype;
“
Oh it
’
s the new millennium
”
there was a bit of a hype
that just hyped out, it didn
’
t last that long.
Then, 2010, 2011, 2012
...
2013, 2014
...
We don
’
t have to go back very far. This is a
new way of thought. This is very new. When would you say that
it would be
...
Okay, so I (me speaking for Sue) was like, one of the first
people to ever put up a website.
The Arcturians told me,
“
Do a website
”
. I said,
“
What
’
s a website?
”
I didn
’
t even know.
No one knew. I was one of the first websites up.
I was talking about something, very beginning stuff and then th
ey had me get my PhD so
I would be better at it. And then they had me do all this
other stuff so I went through a
huge training process, as all of us did. I
’
m sure you have a similar story.
So would you like to share some of your story just so people
know that you don
’
t just a
click your fingers and you are there. No, no, no there are ma
ny sacrifices that we have
made and many things that we have done that scared that be-Je
sus out of us and we did it
because we knew we said we would.
Steve: One of the features of my own career is that I, whi
le working at the Immigration
Refugee Board, I had to post anonymously. I had a website,
Essays of Brother
Anonymous
but all of it was done anonymously. If I was suspected of wri
ting the material
I was writing there, I probably would
’
ve been turfed right away.
Here is another
...
Sue
: also I was
“
Suzan Carroll
”
for a long, long time.
Steve
: Yes, that
’
s right. Here
’
s another one; I had the vision experience in 1987 was in a
doctoral program in sociology. Well after that, I just
wanted to write about enlightenment,
you know, the study of enlightenment.
Not only did the sociology department tell me I couldn
’
t but the religious studies
Department said such a study is not within the university
’
s charter. The religious studies
Department! Enlightenment! So yeah, it was a hard road.
Sue
: Because religion was written over 2000 years ago and no one
gets to change it.
Steve
: Yes that
’
s right. And that
’
s not even, as I say, I have been following channeled
literature since 1974 but it was always regarded as a kind of a [
Queen?], kind of pastime
of I don
’
t know what but neither serious spiritual studies nor communi
cation with the
invisible was accepted for oh, not until recently.
Sue
: Communication with the invisibles was called schizophrenia
.
Steve
: Yeah right! Talking with voices, yeah right!
Sue
: In fact, I had all the symptoms of schizophrenia. I lea
rned that when I was getting
my PhD.
“
Oops, I guess I better keep my mouth shut!
”
Steve
: Yeah right, I didn
’
t. So yeah, I know what you
’
re saying. I think we
’
re running out
of time Sue. It
’
s so delightful. I wonder if you, or the Arcturians, or
both have any final
comments, any concluding comments?
Sue
: Well, let me ask the Arcturians here, let
’
s see
...
Arcturians
: Yes, we the Arcturians would like to share with you Steve and
with all of
those who listen; that
you
are beautiful.
You
are tomorrow.
You
are now.
You
are the
beginning.
You
are the alpha,
You
are in the Omega.
You
have immense power inside of
you and even though
You
are wearing a third dimensional form, you are not limited to
that form.
And
You
move higher and higher into higher and higher frequencies.
You live in outer
space. You live in your home world.
You
are all multidimensional beings that volunteered
to wear the very fragile third dimensional form. And we wish a
ll of you; for it we wish to
say to all of you is congratulations and thank you very much
.
Steve
: Thank you very much. It has been a pleasure having you. Tha
nk you.
Arcturians
: Yes, it has been a pleasure communicating with you as we
ll.
Steve
: Farewell
Arcturians
: Farewell